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ClubFord Comunitatea posesorilor de Ford din Romania 2014-11-16T20:34:06+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/feed.php?f=149&t=43362 2014-11-16T20:34:06+02:00 2014-11-16T20:34:06+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=1401769#p1401769 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Hai sa revenim cu picioarele pe pamant. Ce facem frate, comparam o masina cu un parfum, o punga de detergent sau o sticla de Coca Cola???
O masina este un ansamblu alcatuit din zeci de mii de componente. Cred ca stii ca Ford, spre exemplu, nu produce piesele componente. Are contracte ferme cu anumiti producatori care produc piesele sub licenta Ford (FoMoCo sau Motorcraft), la standardele si specificatiile cerute de Ford. Ford asambleaza zilnic mii de masini. Asta inseamna milioane de componente folosite zilnic. Cine naiba crezi tu ca sta sa le sorteze? Fabricile unde se asambleaza masinile sunt complet automatizate. Inclusiv transportul de la storage la linia de fabricatie se face automatizat, robotizat.
Hai sa luam exemplul unui injector. E o piesa, te uiti la el, o bucata de fier mica, cu un pret mare. Daca tu ai fi la linia de asamblare, de unde stii tu ca injectorul ala are vre-un defect? Asta se vede doar cand termini masina de asamblat, la controlul calitatii. E injectorul bun, in parametrii, trece, nu e bun, se schimba si cel defect se trimite la producator pentru inlocuire ca nu e fraier Ford sa plateasca un injector stricat. Mai mult, producatorul testeaza injectorul ala inainte sa-l trimita la Ford, sansele ca Ford sa primeasca o piesa defecta este foarte mica.
Iti mai spun inca o data, garantia pe produsul final, adica pe Focusul tau, este data de Ford. Si nu isi permite sa puna o piesa pe care el suspecteaza ca poate ceda in perioada de garantie pt ca tu o sa reclaim defectul la Ford, nu la cel care produce piesa. Si gandeste-te numai ce costuri implica schimbarea unei piese in garantie. Diagnoza in sevice, manopera, pretul piesei noi, transportul piesei noi, returul piesei defecte catre Ford, returul piesei defecte catre producator, etc...
Un producator de masini are contracte ferme cu producatorii de piese sai sa nu crezi ca eventualele problem de garantie se rezolva pe cheltuiala Ford. Toate aceste cheltuieli amintite mai sus, pana la urma, tot pe carca producatorului piesei cade.
Chiar daca mi-ai spus sa nu o fac, iti raspund si iti spun ca lucrez in sistem, am o pozitie de manager si stiu exact cum functioneaza nebunia asta.

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2014-11-13T14:53:20+02:00 2014-11-13T14:53:20+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=1401058#p1401058 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de mutica — 13 Noi 2014, 14:53


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2014-11-09T11:07:23+02:00 2014-11-09T11:07:23+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=1399964#p1399964 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de forbidden27 — 09 Noi 2014, 11:07


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2014-10-21T16:56:03+02:00 2014-10-21T16:56:03+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=1395001#p1395001 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de Alex 1000RR — 21 Oct 2014, 16:56


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2014-10-20T16:01:48+02:00 2014-10-20T16:01:48+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=1394684#p1394684 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de mutica — 20 Oct 2014, 16:01


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2011-05-20T19:06:24+02:00 2011-05-20T19:06:24+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=914207#p914207 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de Nic_Bv — 20 Mai 2011, 19:06


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2011-05-20T17:45:49+02:00 2011-05-20T17:45:49+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=914168#p914168 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de Mihai L — 20 Mai 2011, 17:45


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2011-05-20T09:05:25+02:00 2011-05-20T09:05:25+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=913924#p913924 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de razvanclinciu — 20 Mai 2011, 09:05


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2011-05-20T07:54:02+02:00 2011-05-20T07:54:02+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=913887#p913887 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Cei care sunt stransi la punga, executabilul, sursele, ura si la gara.
Cine plateste onorabil primeste un kit de instalare, o documentatie, o asistenta post-sales, test cases, si asa mai departe.

Asa procedeaza oricine gandeste orientat pe profit. Actele de caritate nu-si au locul acolo unde exista concurenta si la orice pas gresit vine altul in locul tau.

Asa si cu Ford, inca de cand taica Henry Ford a spus in urma cu mai bine de o suta de ani in urma:
"I will build a car for the great multitude. It will be large enough for the family, but small enough for the individual to run and care for. It will be constructed of the best materials, by the best men to be hired, after the simplest designs that modern engineering can devise. But it will be so low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one – and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great open spaces."

Asta e politica firmei. La naiba, nu e Bentley, nici macar BMW. Nu are rost sa ne amagim.

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2011-05-19T23:12:13+02:00 2011-05-19T23:12:13+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=913834#p913834 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]>
Alt exemplu: sa zicem ca in tara Iolandia Ford ar trebui sa fie foarte bine antifonata si echipata cu sistem de sonorizare performant pentru a se putea vinde/concura cu oferta de acolo. Merita sa produca aceeasi masina si pentru Germania? Evident ca nu, acolo se cer alte dotari, iar acestea ar scumpi nejustificat produsul pentru acea piata. Prin urmare, nu se face un produs mai prost pentru Germania, ci un produs vandabil in aceasta tara.

Nu poti face o echipa de CTC care sa fie orbi la masinile pentru RO si BG si adevarati cerberi pentru Germania.

Hai sa te luam si pe tine de exemplu: e adevarat lucrezi mai prost pentru firme din tara si mai bine pentru cei de afara? :D
Eu as zice ca nu-ti permiti.

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2011-05-19T17:24:44+02:00 2011-05-19T17:24:44+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=913652#p913652 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]>
Da, motorul este identic, cutia de viteze este identica. La fel si ovalul albastru de pe grilajul radiatorului. Pentru unii masina se rezuma la atat, pentru altii nu.

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2011-05-19T14:15:09+02:00 2011-05-19T14:15:09+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=913576#p913576 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Fara doar si poate o masina cu 100.000 din Germania are uzura mai mica decat una din Romania. Dar motivul nu e ca a fost constuita cu piese mai bune. Masina aia a mers pe niste drumuri bune, a fost alimentata cu combustibil de calitate, a fost intretinuta corespunzator si probabil a fost condusa decent. In Romania 80% din soferi schimba la 2,000 de ture, merg 2 Km pana la munca, si motorul nu apuca sa se incalzeasca, merg printr-un praf mai ceva ca in Sahara, prin niste gropi cat China. Dupa care ne miram ca masina e praf la 100,000 Km.
E mai scump pentru un producator de masa cum este Ford sa faca o masina mai prosta pentru Romania. E adevarat ca sunt anumite repere, gen capac motor care in Germania sunt pe masini, iar in Romania nu. Insa motorul, cutia, amortizoare, etc sunt identice. Sa nu uitam ca masinile sunt mai scumpe in Germania.

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2011-05-19T11:56:23+02:00 2011-05-19T11:56:23+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=913519#p913519 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]>
Exprimarea domnului preşedinte Jan Gijsen este cel puţin nefericită, din punctul meu de vedere. Nu apar probleme de calitate din cauza muncitorilor. Dacă apar anumite probleme, atunci ele sunt în proporţie de 100% din cauza anumitor neconformităţi ale pieselor pe care le primim. Noi am produs automobile cu mult timp înainte de a veni Ford la Craiova, iar calitatea maşinilor produse de noi sub licenţă coreeană a fost comparabilă cu orice astfel de produs din Europa şi din lume. La fel este şi acum", a precizat unul dintre liderii sindicali de la uzina Ford, Ovidiu Cioroianu.


ADICA PRIMESC PIESE DE CACAT

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2011-04-26T16:23:39+02:00 2011-04-26T16:23:39+02:00 https://forum.clubford.ro/viewtopic.php?t=43362&p=901210#p901210 <![CDATA[Re: Calitate vest vs est]]> Statistici: Scris de tudoralex — 26 Apr 2011, 16:23


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