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ClubFord • Vezi subiect - Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd
Care e mai buna? Comparatii intre diverse modele/marci de autoturisme.
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Re: Ford vs. Kia

24 Iun 2009, 15:46

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 15:58

depinde de service. daca te duci la mit baneasa sau aviatorilor, esti deja condamnat :)) din pacate singurul service bun de Kia din Bucuresti este cel de la iesirea din Bucuresti spre Giurgiu, in Jilava practic, International Motors Group.
cat despre timpii de asteptare, asta da, la piese se asteapta mult pentru ca totul trebuia sa treaca pe la importatorul oficial, MIT Baneasa, unde se lucreaza in reluare. d'asta nu exista mai nimic pe stoc...
@Maxy, probabil ca toti cei care au postat in acest topic de 9 pagini, inclusiv colegii tai, sunt mai naivi asa de fel de le compara, nu?

Re: Ford vs. Kia

24 Iun 2009, 16:01

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 16:11

Oricat am fi de subiectivi si oricat am cauta sa comparam in opinia mea nu exista comparatie intre aceste doua marci, kia sid in orice test mai mult de ultimul loc nu a reusit sa puncteze, dar cu toate acestea nu o consider o masina proasta, ba dimpotriva am recomandat aceasta masina la foarte multe persoane.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 16:27

Si totusi...
http://www.auto.ro/stiri/kia-cee-d--mas ... n-romania-
http://www.drive-test.ro/stiri/729/masi ... -ceed.html

Asta la primul search!

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 16:33

Daca esti genul de persoana care crede in astfel de premii atunci da, asa isi castiga multe marci de la noi clientii.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 16:51

Adevarat, Kia in general n-are inca ce sa caute sa se compare cu Ford.(desi la capitolul vanzari se compara). Dar acest model, Ceed, este unul reusit, care, vreti nu vreti, concureaza direct cu Focusul, Astra, Golf... la unele capitole e mai bun, la altele mai slab, la altele egal... singurul capitol unde pierde detasat este istoricul....

Dar...
fordul focus se vinde considerabil mai slab decat kia ceed. Ceed'ul este din mai pe locul 1 la vanzari , in timp ce focusul pe 7.
2200 pt ceed, 1400 pt focus, de la inceputul anului. Raportul calitate/pret isi demonstreaza importanta in alegerea unei masini ;)

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 16:59

Asa este insa trebuie sa tinem cont ca nu tocmai vanzarile dicteaza cat de bun este vazut un produs. Si Dacia sau Reno vand la noi de sparg dar asta nu inseamna ca sunt niste masini extrarodinar, ba in cazul renoului lucruri stau extrem de prost in opinia mea. Insa in orice caz, eu apreciez faptul ca acest koreeni au reusit sa scoata masinuta asta special adaptata pentru gusturile europenilor.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 17:05

In martie Dacia avea 3823 unitati vandute, vs. Kia cu 601 (Ford avea 848)
Sa fi fost asa o explozie si nu stim noi??? Sumele de unitati date de tine sunt putin infirmate de APIA (si vorbesc aici doar de primele 3 luni unde Ford deja depasise lejer 1500!!!), dar probabil ei nu stiu datele tale. :D Probabil au pus cu minus ofertele de buy-back? =))
In actualele conditii de criza s-ar putea sa nu mai conteze raportul calitate/pret, ci pretul (vezi Loganul vandut in Germania).

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 17:07

Macar la capitolul ampatament avem voie sa facem o comparatie? Multumesc.
Cee'd 2650mm
FF2 2640mm

... nu stiu cum sunt, stiu cum nu sunt, nu sunt genul care sa respinga orice din start sau care sa sustina ca masina ca a lui nu mai are nimenea... :D vorba cantautorului...
Sa auzim de bine!!!
Ultima oară modificat de mariusm pe 24 Iun 2009, 17:12, modificat 1 dată în total.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 17:09

de pe APIA am luat datele :)) baga un download la listele recente, aprile, mai... http://apia.softnet.ro/uploads/date/2009-05-Analize.pdf si eu vorbeam de model, nu de marca , unde lupta oricum e stransa, Ford pe 4, Kia pe 5.
cat despre calitate, s-a discutat destul in posturile anterioare iar eu mi-am expus opinia ca si conducator al ambelor modele.
numai bine ;)

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 17:13

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 17:50

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 18:06

va inteleg atitudinea, pe bune, mai ales cand te bazezi pe experiente singulare si , de cele mai multe ori, nu experiente proprii. mi se intampla des sa judec pripit si, inainte sa am ceed'ul, eram convins ca focusul e mult peste. dar natura jobului ma aduce in fata posibilitatii de a conduce majoritatea compactelor. practic, cobor din focus si ma urc in kia. incercand sa fiu obiectiv, as spune ca trebuie sa fii nerealist sa spui ca focusul e la vreo mare distanta ca si calitate fata de ceed. iar pretul avantajos practicat de kia aduce un cumparator obiectiv in fata unei adevarate dileme la clasa compacta. din pacate, calitatea serviciilor (fapt ce tine nu de firma/masina, ci de dealer/tara) diminueaza intr-o masura buna aprecierea modelului...

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 19:05

Si doar asa, intamplator, omul nostru tocmai are la vanzare o Kia, ca sa-si cumpere un Opel...

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 22:05

proceedul meu e f bun, dar asta nu inseamna ca nu sunt obiectiv. tocmai asta nu se intelege. cine prefera un 1.6 benzina aspirat de 126 cai unui diesel turbo de 165? :)) plus ca GTC'ul acela arata intr-un mare fel.... stock n-ar fii fost nici o pasiune ;)
dc trebuie ca atunci cand ai o masina care sa-ti placa sa nu mai existe altceva? nu sunt fanatic... dar multi de aici sunt cand spun ca focus nu se compara cu ceed, scuzati-ma... :-??
pe principiul asta am fii toti doar cu o femeie toata viata ... :-"

p.s. dau kia pe opel, dau ford pe fiat, etc , pt mine asta suna aiurea si nu gandesc niciodata asa. pe mine ma intereseaza modelul (performante, calitate, aspect, pret...), nu marca.
Ultima oară modificat de clubkia pe 24 Iun 2009, 22:09, modificat 1 dată în total.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 22:09

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 22:12

Sefu'... hai ca se aude ratza cum "vorbeste". :D
Daca ai de ales intre in Trabant cu motor de 200 CP si un BMW cu motor de 150 CP... lasa-ma sa ghicesc, ai alege Trabantul? =)) =)) =)) Ca doar esti obiectiv, nu?

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 22:15

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 23:26

@mariusm - nu pricep ce ai vrut tu sa spui. nu cred ca ai inteles tu ce am vrut eu sa spun. asiguratorul decide daca plateste sau nu. avand casco, plateste, mai ales ca se vede clar in cazul meu ca e lovita in parcare.
cel din service decide cum o repara. fie o schimba fie o indreapta.

2. ceedul e o masina buna. trebuie sa recunosc. este peste opel. nu pricep de ce cineva si-ar lua un opel acum, cand se stie ca marca e aproape falimentara din cauza lui GM
dar eu nu pricep comparatia cu fordul focus.
focus e mult peste. asa cum ford e peste kia.
in romania inca nu s-a inteles ca atunci cand cumperi o masina cumperi si garantie, cumperi si service si servicii de vanzare etc
cei de la kia romania sunt de 2 bani la toate capitolele posibile. pana si atunci cand mi-am luat masina. vanzatorul imi spunea ca masina e pe tir prin slovacia si masina era in curte - noroc ca stiam pe cineva care lucreaza acolo.
repet. ceedul e o masina buna, dar daca am gandi putin in perspectiva...... momentan sunt foarte fericit ca am un mondeo si eu personal nu voi mai avea vreodata de-a face cu imbecilii care lucreaza pentru kia.

ps: din acelasi motiv am renuntat si la forumul club kia. discutii interminabile despre lucruri de 2 bani. nimic concret. pe clubford se discuta la obiect fara batut de campi.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

24 Iun 2009, 23:36

Eu sincer iti zic daca as fi in locul tau nu as da Proceed-ul pe gtc. Chiar zilele trecute am vazut unul cu kitul sport si jante pe 18 si arata mai bine ca orice GTC.
Ceed fara sa fiu subiectiv nu mi se pare sa fie la nivelul unui Focus insa este o masina buna. Sa tinem cont de faptul ca la nici 11.000 de euro ddp se poate lua un pro ceed cu ceva dotari si un motor rezon(1.4 110cp) ceea la banii astia e pomana.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 08:01

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 08:55

Cred că m-am lămurit, (Ave) caesar2 e posibil să aibe dreptate, dar să nu prezinte el corect situaţia.
E foarte posibil ca asigurătorul să aibe cu serviceul convenţie prin care acesta e împuternicit să realizeze constatările de până la o valoare anume, ceva de genul ăsta... aşa se explică de ce îi făcea constatarea cel din service...

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 09:00

ideea e ca amandoi prefera o solutie mai ieftina si mai rapida. sa indrepti o tabla nu e chiar atat de ieftin. zgariata fiind, oricum trebuia revopsita. asa ca inlocuirea ei este si mai ieftina si mai rapida.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 10:35

nu am reusit sa-mi dau seama cine vrea sa-si ia GTC
sa nu faca nimeni prostia sa-si ia acum GTC.
in toamna deja va aparea noul model de opel astra iar pe la anul noul model de GTC iar cand va circula noul model pe strazi si te vei uita la al tau cat de vechi si obosit pare te vei oftica la culme.
eu zic ca se mai poate rabda un an ca doar nu merge nimeni cu tramvaiul. eu cel putin asa as face.

ar fi culmea sa fie oameni acum care sa-si ia opel astra, sa si-l superconfigureze , sa plateasca 20.000 euro(bani muncitri din greu) si la toamna sa apara alt opel astra iar al lui sa fie asa cum este astra G fata de astra H

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 10:42

daca te oboseai sa citesti cine vrea, vedeai si despre ce e vorba si nu iti mai pierdeai timpul cu postul de mai sus.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 12:30

@ edit, offtopic again, mii de scuze : poza cu gtc'ul respectiv e cu doua pagini in urma, e SH, f ieftin si bine intretinut. la exterior e chiar mai frumos decat modelul care va aparea la toamna. interiorul e marele minus, caci noul model vine cu ceva muuuuuult imbunatatit. oricum n-am bani de el nou :))
va rog postati la subiect de acum incolo ;)

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 13:48

But still.... why :))

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 14:37

intrebare tot offtopic pentru clubkia - ai kia, vrei opel, ce cauti pe club ford? :)))
oricum, ai dreptate, astra gtc are un pret bun acum. daca il vrei nou vine cu vreo 5000 de euro reducere, iar sh deja au cazut mult preturile. dar parerea mea e ca nici nu merita mai multi bani, cat dai, atata face.

Re: Noul Focus vs. Kia Cee'd

25 Iun 2009, 21:13

pt ca lucrez intr-o firma de rent a car si mare parte din flota este compusa din fiesta, focus, mondeo (superba masina, mai ales varianta diesel titanium :D), transit... le conduc foarte des astfel ca stiu ce le poate pielea. :-"
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