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ClubFord • Vezi subiect - Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)
Care e mai buna? Comparatii intre diverse modele/marci de autoturisme.
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Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 14:00

1416 are si la mine in talon, sedan.

iar pentru initiatorul topicului: inainte am avut un megane 1.6 dupa ce veneam de pe o panda cu 1.3 diesel.
plangeam dupa motorul de 1.3
iar acum am 1.8 la ford si sunt numai un zambet despre motor.
n-as mai lua benzina ever, eventual din motive de cost pe langa o automata sa pun o benzina spre 200 de cai (deci cu turbo).

despre greutate fata...nu se simte anormal, e super ok masina la drum. dar ce observasem, de cand am luat-o, e ca spre deosebire de alte masini ce le-am condus incarcate cu pasageri si bagaje 1.8-ul meu merge si mai struna incarcat. adica motorul il simti de nadejde iar masina chiar se "aseaza" fain nu ai nevoie de acea doza extra de atentie ca esti incarcat.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 14:35

discutiile ce erau mai degraba generaliste sau despre alte motoare au fost mutate aici :
viewtopic.php?f=149&t=33136
aici ramaneti mai la subiectul particular va rog.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 16:23

asta e aiurea cu tdci-ul asta de 1.8 : greutatea f mare a motorului ceea ce strica f mult distribuirea maselor fata/spate. imi imaginez ca acest procent este undeva la 65%-35% iar la benzinar undeva la 60-40. eu la masina am 62/38
directia va fi clar mai precisa la benzinar.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 16:59

@edit, cand am facut itp-ul, masina avea 1411kg (852 pe fata si 559 pe spate). daca am calculat corect, distributia e 60.4 fata si 39.6 spate, ceea ce nu e departe de ce zice ford. poate la benzinar e mai bine.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 19:54

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 20:06

la 1.4 si 1.6 benzina e iB5. la 2.0 benzina e MTX-75

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

15 Mai 2009, 20:14

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

17 Mai 2009, 02:02

Oricum, 1.8 TDCi RULZ!!!

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

17 Mai 2009, 08:25

Distributia greutatii fata spate chiar afecteaza tinuta de drum. Se simte ca e mult mai grea pe fata, de fapt, ca e usor spatele cand masina e goala. In curbe intra mai repede ESP. Te simti mult mai confortabil insa cand in portbagaj ai sacii de cartofi :P sau pasageri pe locurile din spate. Ideal e sa fii recuperator si sa bagi 2 grasi in portbagaj :D

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

17 Mai 2009, 10:14

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

17 Mai 2009, 11:37

Pot sa difere rapoartele, si se poate sa difere si raportul final. Nu am datele pentru Focus, dar uite aici tabelul pentru Mondeo, toate fiind variatiuni pe tema "MTX-75":

viewtopic.php?p=431471#p431471

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

17 Mai 2009, 11:52

1.4 Duratec 1.6 si 1.6 Ti-VCT au aceleasi rapoarte.
Rapoartle le gasiti aici http://media.ford.com/press_kits_detail ... on_id=2878 pentru cutiile de pe focus

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

30 Mai 2009, 19:15

Tin sa va anunt pe aceasta ocazie ca in ciuda faptului ca sunt un pasionat al motoarelor pe benzina, nu mi se pare nimic anormal in fi multumit/pasionat de o masina cu motor diesel. Este un lucru absolut normal si explicabil. La fel ca si reciproca.
Mi-ar face placere sa vad parerea colegilor care au condus ambele masini sau, asa cum s-a si intimplat, sa mi se confirme sau infirme opiniile despre vreuna din cele doua masini.

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Imi place cum pui problema.
Eu am 1,6 Ti-VCT (habar nu am ce inseamna literele astea). Dar am condus deja o multime de masini, in firma am de toate).
Cele 2 modele sint comparabile doar pt. ca au 115CP. In rest diferenta e mare, fiecare cu avantajele ei. Cateva lucruri sunt sigure. 1,6 se conduce mult mai usor-e mai elastica-parca e masinna mai usoara, de fapt asa si e. dar consumul e mai scump. 1,8 e mai ieftin la consum. dar la depasiri cu dieselul trebuie sa cunosti masina. Legat de costuri nu uitati ca dieselul e avantajos numai daca umbli mult cu el-la km putini e mai buna benzina. asta pt. ca la un diesel schimbul de ulei, filtru si in timp altele costa mai mult.
luminati-ma si pe mine ce inseamna Ti-VCT si care e diferenta fata de 1,6 normal? sa-mi fie rusine ca nu stiu! mai ales ca lucrez in auto ( si ma pasioneaza)!

PS. Nu-mi place la masina mea: umflaturile de sub mocheta (ce-o fi acolo nu stiu, poate cabluri, poate prea mult material). Imi place: cum sta pe drum (tare de tot) designul interior si exterior. Am condus deja milionul de km, pe asta am luat-o ca e placuta. de fapt ma gandeam ca o transfer sotiei peste 1-2 ani :) Uite si o poza
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Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

30 Mai 2009, 19:29

Nici mie nu mi-au placut umflaturile de care vorbeai..., dar mi-am dat seama ca sunt de fapt conductele de aer care trec pe sub scaun si ies la picioarele pasagerului din spate...
Eu am dieselul (chiar aceeasi culoare cu a ta) si-s f.f.f.multumit de ea.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

30 Mai 2009, 19:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-oyIjGWGE

Ti-VCT este motor cu distributie variabila.

http://forum.softpedia.com/lofiversion/ ... 15318.html

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

30 Mai 2009, 21:19

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

31 Mai 2009, 07:17

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

09 Iul 2009, 17:52

Obiectiva analiza, felicitari.
As mai adauga la TDCi avantajul cuplului. Sunt situatii in care cuplul mare te ajuta enorm, de exemplu iarna cand esti inzapezit. Pe de alta parte, cuplul poate crea instabilitate in conditii de aderenta redusa si lipsa ESP-ului.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

10 Iul 2009, 15:04

Din cate imi aduc eu aminte cand esti inzapezit nu prea ai aderenta, deci un cuplu mare nu te ajuta. Ce te ajuta este o lopata si cativa oameni sa impinga.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

10 Iul 2009, 15:17

... unde nu prea e aderenta te ajuta ESP-ul, pentru cine-l are ;)

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

10 Iul 2009, 16:26

Cred ca mai mult te ajuta TC-ul.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

10 Iul 2009, 17:03

@Sexyrat: Nu e vorba de aderenta. Daca ai masina bagata in zapada pana la jumatatea portierei, o scoti daca motorul are cuplu mare la turatie mica.

Aderenta e o problema daca e polei sau gheata sub rotile motrice, acolo intr-adevar nu mai conteaza cuplul. Dar nici lopata, decat daca are nisip in ea. ;)

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 09:05

Ontopic : Poate face cineva un test si vedem care-i mai sprinten. Eu cred ca amandoua accelereaza cam la fel, numai ca la reprize, clar castiga dieselachele. Daca pentru reprizele 80-120 sau 60-100 nu este constrans motorul pe benzina de o anume treapta, iar cred ca sunt egale.

Pe youtube am gasit un singur filmulet cu un Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCI, insa e irelevant. Ti-VCT-ul era break, iar TDCI-ul HB. Evident ca TDCI-ul a castigat, insa nu cu mult, cel mai probabil diferenta era facuta de plusul de kg. pentru Ti-VCT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQD6zJ6Gio

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 09:21

tocmai ca atunci erau "mai" apropiate greutatile. motorul diesel este mai greu decat cel pe benzina. focus 1.8tdci, 5 usi - 1391 kg; focus ti-vct break - 1279 deci chiar daca dieselul era hb, tot era cu 100 kg mai greu.

ca sa iti faci o parere, daca tot ai adus in discutie greutatea, strict la topic: 1.8 tdci (5 usi) - 1391 kg; 1.6 ti-vct (5 usi) - 1257. diferenta dintre hb si break este mica la greutate.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 09:30

Da jos turbina, intercooler de pe TDCI si atunci poti face o comparatie intre cele doua si din punct de vedere al greutatii. Dupa ce ca benzinaru nu are turbo, tot pe el sa-l mai incarci cu nu sh cate kg :)) Clar ca pierde.

Adrian, desi esti super documentat de fiecare data, aici trebuie sa te contrazic.
Comparatia trebuie facuta strict intre versiuni similare. HB vs HB, sedan vs sedan si ar mai fi si alti n factori. TDCI-ul are avantajul turbo, benzinaru` are avantajul greutatii.

Daca ne uitam la specificatiile tehnice, amandoua fac suta in 10,8 sec. Practic se compenseaza turbina TDCI-ului cu aprox 150 kg mai putin pentru benzinar.

PS : Doar de 22 de kg este diferenta intre HB si break ? Mi se pare extrem de putin.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 10:00

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 10:24

el a zis ca rucsacu e mai greu, nu omul care il cara.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 10:31

Ma refeream la kg in plus pe care le are break-ul fata de HB.

Evident ca nu e un motor super-sportiv, doar ca era un vs intre doua motoare similare.

Pentru ce am eu nevoie,si mai ales pentru drumurile din Romania, sunt super-suficienti cei 115 CP.

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 12:20

ceea ce conteaza este greutatea rucsacului + a omului, pentru ca pana la urma omul trebuie sa se care si pe el insusi :D. singurul loc unde simt nevoia unui motor mai puternic este la depasirile pe superbele noastre drumuri cu o singura banda pe sens...

Re: Ti-VCT vs. 1.8 TDCi (115 CP)

22 Iul 2009, 12:57

pai da, conteaza, dar cand un om mai usor + rucsac mai greu se intrece cu unul mai greu + rucsac mai usor, banuiesc ca socoti e cursa dreapta. daca ma uit ca ai un tdci nici nu ma indoiesc. sunt unghiuri diferite de a privi lucrurile si fiecare va privi din unghiul care ii zgandara orgoliul mai frumos ;)
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