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ClubFord • Vezi subiect - Calitate vest vs est
Care e mai buna? Comparatii intre diverse modele/marci de autoturisme.
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Re: Calitate vest vs est

09 Iun 2010, 08:47

DA, masinile facute la Craiova sunt mai bune decat cele facute in Turcia !
exista mici amanunte ...

Re: Calitate vest vs est

15 Iun 2010, 22:48

Passat sedan 2.0 fsi 150 cp cumparat in 2007 de nou de la reprezentanta in 35 mii km a avut ca probleme tehnice:becurile pe faza lunga (bixenon) arse,claxoane vreo 3-4 arse,becuri pozitii arse cam la jumatate de an,erori in bord destul de dese si cel mai grav a fost sa observ ca in jurul contactului si franei de mana (un buton aflat langa butonul de lumini) ,materialul bordului s-a cojit .Am realizat ca acel material nu avea de ce sa se cojoasca doar ca acolo mai ating fara sa vrei cu degetele cand bagi cheia in contact sau cand aprinzi luminile.Masina facuta pentru Europa de Est.Concluzia va apartine

Re: Calitate vest vs est

16 Iun 2010, 01:17

Re: Calitate vest vs est

16 Iun 2010, 07:42

Nu vidul pentru este e problema ci robotul care le face. Fiind cam bețiv o ia pe ulei și în loc sa tragă aerul sa fac vid, îl sufla în bec. :))

Re: Calitate vest vs est

16 Iun 2010, 08:50

Re: Calitate vest vs est

17 Iun 2010, 12:54

Pai tocmai asta e problema. Se poate face 30% din Mercedes in Romania, dar sunt standarde de calitate diferite pentru componentele produse in functie de piata pe care va ajunge automobilul.

Re: Calitate vest vs est

17 Iun 2010, 13:27

Concluzia: nu robotul e beat, ci 'nea Gheorghe de la SC Bemveu SRL care a baut prea mult duminica seara =))

Re: Calitate vest vs est

17 Iun 2010, 13:35

Eu cred ca explicația e alta: nea Gheorghe sabotează intenționat piesele pentru modelele făcute pentru est sa ii strice bucuria lui nea Vasile vecinu lui, cînd o sa se fălească cu noul lui Mertan cumpărat în rate.

Re: Calitate vest vs est

22 Iun 2010, 15:18

Am citit tot topicul si nu am inteles un singur lucru...masini identice, materiale identice, linia de productie identica...pret de vanzare +20% pentru vest sau -20% pentru est. Asta cum se explica? Oare vor sa isi promoveze produsele pe piata est-europeana si fac discounturi asa mari? :))...sau "ciupesc" de ici de colo pentru a le vinde masini si "sarmanilor estici"?

Re: Calitate vest vs est

22 Iun 2010, 15:25

ciupesc pe la opționale - ale pentru siguranța (ESP în special) și cum ai dedus ca sunt 20% și nu 19 % sau 18% (adică un exemplu de calcul comparativ ar face lumina)

Re: Calitate vest vs est

22 Iun 2010, 15:34

Re: Calitate vest vs est

22 Iun 2010, 15:35

Recupereaza procentele cand te duci la revizii/reparatii. ;)

Re: Calitate vest vs est

22 Iun 2010, 15:46

Ce modele se fabrica si unde la Ford Europa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Europe
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Re: Calitate vest vs est

23 Iun 2010, 08:28

Mercedes de exp, este chiar mai strict in privinta controlului calitatii pentru pesele facute la noi. Toata materia prima o aduce direct din Germania de la partenerii sai traditionali(sau poate de acolo iau si ei comisioane ... DA NEMTII!) . Intreb si eu ... de ce ar aduce o materie prima de 2-3-5 ori mai scumpa din Germania daca ar face la noi doar piese naspa ... pentru Europa de Est?

Re: Calitate vest vs est

23 Iun 2010, 08:44

Re: Calitate vest vs est

23 Iun 2010, 09:01

Cu controlul calității cred ca sunt foarte stricți (va dați seama ce mișto ar fi sa nu se potrivească perfect o piesa - trebuie sa oprească linia de producție, sa identifice problema acțiuni care implica costuri). Spre deosebire de Dacia unde un nea Dorel mai dădea un ciocan în sus mai trăgea puțin de piesa și gata asamblarea făbricile auto moderne au linii robotizate.

Re: Calitate vest vs est

23 Iun 2010, 09:53

@ zaboss

Cred ca te contrazici cu adyamg spunand acelasi lucru... :D

Re: Calitate vest vs est

23 Iun 2010, 10:07

Re: Calitate vest vs est

23 Iun 2010, 10:34

Re: Calitate vest vs est

14 Apr 2011, 17:38

De un an incoace, cam multa liniste pe topicu' asta... poate asa ramanea veci pururi, daca astazi nu citeam un articol interesant pe Mediafax: http://www.mediafax.ro/social/produse-c ... st-8157771

Carevasazica marfurile sunt mai proaste pentru piata Europei de Est !

Evident, unii vor zice "da, dar se aplica numai la Coca Cola, nu la masini..." 8-}

In timp ce altii vor avea confirmarea ca un lucru cumparat din Vest are o calitate superioara lucrurilor destinate Europei de Est. ;)

Re: Calitate vest vs est

14 Apr 2011, 18:58

La produsele alimentare este mai simplu, deoarece majoritatea se produc în ţările respective astfel că este normal să existe diferenţe între Coca Cola produsă în Germania şi Coca Cola produsă în fabrica din România, mai ales că sunt alţi francizori. La cafea sunt diferenţe de gust de la lot la lot, asta o ştiu de la un client al meu care importă Tschibo din Germania. Iar fabrica respectivă livrează peste tot aceeaşi marfă. Atunci când este vorba de aceeaşi fabrică nu există diferenţe (vezi şi exemplu lor cu Milka).

Re: Calitate vest vs est

14 Apr 2011, 20:07

Ohooo.... nu-mi vorbi de cafea ca am lucrat 3 ani de zile la Nova Brasilia. Sunt diferente de maturitate la cafeaua verde, daca mai dau baietii rasol la prajire, iese prapad. In plus, trebuie respectat timpul de racire inainte de vidare, complicat rau!

Mi-a ramas insa in memoria olfactiva gustul cafelei din fabrica, luata cu polonicul din oala in care se fierbe mostra etalon. Yummy...

Back on topic, hai sa excludem produsele care se fac in fabrici autohtone. Pe vremuri, cand lucram in industria cafelei, stiam de Jacobs (inainte sa se ambaleze la Brasov, cel de la mama lui) ca daca nu avea cod pe pachet care incepea cu "DE", gustul era naspa.

Re: Calitate vest vs est

14 Apr 2011, 21:26

Parca murise topicul asta......oricum este fortata comparatia. Masinile se fabrica pe o linie de productie nu se arunca piesele intr-un malaxor cum este cazul industriei alimentare.

Re: Calitate vest vs est

14 Apr 2011, 21:36

Nu trebuie neglijata nici reteta, care in general este pe tari, pe gusturile populatiei respective (Fanta/Cola facute la bulgari au alt gust fata de cele facute la noi - nu zic ca mai bun sau mai rau, dar diferit).
Pe langa gusturi, mai apar si reglementari legale (de exemplu pot fi limitari la continutul de coloranti sau de zahar, etc).

Re: Calitate vest vs est

15 Apr 2011, 00:30

Cel putin legat de Coca-Cola, afirmatia reprezentantului e corecta - indulcitorul variaza de la tara la tara si produce gusturi diferite, dar ambele tipuri de zaharuri sunt asa de nocive pentru organism, incat comparatia dintre ele e de prisos.

Re: Calitate vest vs est

18 Apr 2011, 09:39

Acum vreo doua saptamani spunea un coleg in sectiunea Mondeo de o statistica facuta de greci. Se pare ca Fordul la masinile noi pentru tarile lumii a treia pune o singura piesa de calitate mai scazuta, dar scumpa: o caseta de directie, un modul ABS, o turbina, niste injectoare, o pompa de injectie, etc... Astfel 'agata' proprietarul dupa cativa ani cu inca 1000-1500 euro... Trebuie sa recupereze ceva, ca doar a vandut mai ieftin cu 3000 decat in DE. Daca iti pica caseta, poti sa fii sigur ca nu mai pica altceva scump... De ce numai o componenta ? Dupa ce omul isi repara masina, dupa inca cativa ani de expoatare in care nu sunt probleme, omul 'uita', am avut ghinion, voi cumpara din nou Ford.. Ha, ha, ha... asta este marketingul economiei de jaf, pardon piata...

Re: Calitate vest vs est

18 Apr 2011, 11:49

=))

Re: Calitate vest vs est

18 Apr 2011, 12:50

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Re: Calitate vest vs est

18 Apr 2011, 14:50

Astea sunt simple speculatii . Nici o dovada concreta asa putem sa fabulam fiecare cam despre ce ii trece fiecaruia prin imaginatie.
Si daca iau masina din Germania si se strica caseta ce inseamna asta?

Re: Calitate vest vs est

18 Apr 2011, 15:05

Mai spunea un coleg pe forum ca se uita tampit la ce probleme au masinile vandute in Romania la niste kilometraje ridicol de mici...comparativ cu cele aduse. Acum daca o aduci din DE si iti pica caseta la 250 k km, e uzura normala, nu 40 k km si chiar mai putin in RO...
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