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ClubFord • Vezi subiect - Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?
ATENTIE: topicurile care nu isi au locul aici sunt sterse sau inchise fara avertizare, iar userii care continua sa greseasca risca suspendarea contului !
Subiect închis

Ce ati prefera azi, in anul Domnului 2009?

Monarhie
63
31%
Comunism
10
5%
Dictatura
6
3%
Dictatura militara
22
11%
Democratie
100
50%
 
Voturi totale : 201

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

22 Mar 2012, 23:12

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

23 Mar 2012, 23:35

Unii intr-adevar se dau mari cand nu este cazul, cand de fapt sunt mici, micuti...

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

26 Mar 2012, 07:34

Deci vad ca pe locul doi este monarhia, dupa democratie....

... ma gandeam asa, putem afirma ca o conducere monarhica, nu are valente democratice? Cum e in Suedia? In Danemarca? Anglia?

Realizez in ultimul timp ca, atata vreme cat ne vor conduce niste needucati si niste prostcrescuti... soarta noastra va fi tot mai previzibila.

Exista oare ceva mai multa educatie la o casa regala?

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

26 Mar 2012, 11:04

avand in vedere ca actuala Casa Regala e de sorginte engleza si ca au trait mai mult in strainatate decat in tara, as indrazni sa spun ca nu e locul lor la conducerea acestei tari si ca nu trebuia sa aiba niciun drept la restituirea proprietatilor, ptr ca nu le-au facut din banii lor, ci din banii tarii... deci sunt bunuri ale tarii

cat despre discutia democratie romaneasca vs. monarhie... unii sunt jmecheri, hoti, profitori, hiene, lipitori... ceilalti sunt unii care au gasit ceva gratis si l-au revendicat...

niciunii nu sunt mai buni ca ceilalti

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

26 Mar 2012, 18:23

Diferenta e ca pe cei alesi poti sa-i schimbi daca vrei ...un rege ,dupa cite se vede ,se da rege si dupa ce a abdicat !
Totusi sistemul monarhic nu exclude democratia , conditia e ca regele /regina sa aibe rol decorativ .

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

26 Mar 2012, 23:34

Intr-adevar, din cauza Regeui Mihai sufera azi poporul roman.
:roll:

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

26 Mar 2012, 23:46

O, da, Mircea, bingo cum laude!
(ai o bere pentru descoperirea asta)

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

27 Mar 2012, 07:47

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

27 Mar 2012, 16:00

atata vreme cat succesorul e radu duda,zic pas!despre primul rege al romaniei,carol I,numai cuvinte de lauda.ce a urmat dupa el,o succesiune de transferari a domniei intre frati,veri,nepoti,fii...imi da o idee de ce ar insemna acum regalitatea in romania.din cate stiu,carol a venit cu o bocceluta in spate,adus de bratianu si rosetti,ca sa fie inscaunat domn si nu rege al romaniei,in locul lui cuza.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

27 Mar 2012, 17:25

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

28 Mar 2012, 16:36

Da' nu zic neaparat de ce s-a intamplat la noi. La noi se pare ca totul este anapoda aplicat :

- monarhia.... as spune atipica (sau poate nu am inteles eu bine evenimentele);
- comunismul... oricum, nu ca la polonezi sau jugoslavi;
- capitalismul... atipic si asta.....

ce naiba se intampla in spatiu' asta carpato-danubiano-pontic (parca asta era ideea pe la scoala) ?

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

28 Mar 2012, 17:41

Indiferent de forma statala a acestui spatiu in care ne ducem traiul de veacuri ( nu m-as referi la milenii ) , nu am fost , nu suntem si nici nu vom fi vreodata de capul nostru .
adica , doar suntem pacaliti ca noi ne faurim propriul viitor ( ca natiune ma refer , nu individual ) si nimeni si nimic nu poate interfera cu dorinta poporului .
fals @!
am fost cotropiti din vremuri stravechi , am platit tribut atunci si platim si azi . si , fiti linistiti ca vom mai plati . ( vezi petrol , gaze , aur , etc....) tot ce se schimba din cand in cand e doar....destinatarul direct . adica se ma ia calea Vienei in loc de 'stanbul si altele.
singura diferenta dintre epoci ar fi ca , in ziua de azi , adevaratii papusari ce conduc lumea si-au dat seama ca nu mai este necesar sa pustiasca locurile de unde isi iau tainul . se folosesc alte metode de constrangere . iar noi , cei mici , le acceptam cu zambetul pe buze , crezand ca asa trebuie sa fie si ca vom avea vreun beneficiu . ( e si asta un fel de spalare pe creier )
dar , amarati cum suntem , constienti ( unii , nu chiar toti ) ca nu avem cum face altfel , ne prefacem in continuare ca nu intelegem ce se intampla.
asa ca , daca ar fi sa revin strict la polul propus in topic , as spune sa le ia ''......'' pe toate ca tot aia e !

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 09:13

Acel COMUNISM acum este egal cu DEMOCRATIE diferenta se face la simplul fapt ca atunci ieram condusi de Ceausecu iar acum de interesele UE,iar daca s-ar trezii cineva de la Bucuresti sa faca vreun COMENTARIU NEADECVAT la adresa UE am patii cum au patit vecinii nostri:fonduri de dezvoltare blocate in valoare de 500 milioane EU :o deci cand iera mai bine?? a sa nu uit iarasi am facut ca stat o afacere BOMBA gen Petrom ,sa vandut CUPRUL,oare ce se mai poate vinde??

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 17:50

Si ceilalti vecini ai nostri au fost in comunism si pe urma au trecut la democratie. Diferente erau si atunci, dar si acum intre Romania si unele tari din Est. Si ei au avut aceiasi stapani ca si noi, URSS, pe urma UE si SUA. Deci problema e la noi in ograda, degeaba incercam sa dam vina pe altii.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 18:25

de 22 de ani majoritatea il condamna pe ceasca ptr proiectele faraonice.am citit zilele trecute o stire,nu tocmai noua,referitor la un proiect de pe vremea raposatului,si anume la construirea in zona clujului a unei mega-hidrocentrale de 1000MW,cu reacumulare(tarnita lapusesti).fiind in domeniu(toate turbinele hidro din '70 incoace s-au produs in sectia mea),am ramas putin surprins.hidrocentrala de la portile de fier 1 are o putere instalata de 1050 mw, comparabila cu cea din proiect.diferenta e faptul ca noaptea se pompeaza apa din aval in amonte."pretextul" e consumarea energiei produse noaptea la cernavoda,care nu poate opri productia instantaneu,ca in cazul hidro si termo-centralelor.problema e insa ca se putea realiza cu banii atribuiti acestui proiect(1,164 miliarde € fara tva si stim cu totii ca la final suma se dubleaza sau tripleaza) terminarea hidrocentralelor si barajelor de acumulare(si nu sunt putine) deja in constructie,multe realizate peste 50 % si sistate din lipsa de bani.
in parte,pretextul e bun,dar daca energia produsa noaptea la cernavoda ajungea la preturi mici la populatie ,se putea face incalzirea electric ,la fel in scoli,spitale si institutii ale statului,cu costuri infime.la fel si iluminarea localitatilor,care stau in bezna.de fapt e mana "baietilor destepti din energie",care vor lua f ieftin energie noaptea de la cernavoda si vor produce si vinde scump ziua,bineinteles,ptr profitul lor si nu al statului.deci practic,nu le ajunge cat castiga acum,mai vor sa "investim" cel putin 1,5 miliarde € ptr buzunarul lor.din buzunarul nostru.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 19:17

Marius problema cu ograda se stie doar interpretarea se face diferit :lol:

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 20:25

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 20:36

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 20:58

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 21:14

Mihai, cu permisiunea ta as completa: aveti idee cat de usor puteai ajunge persoana non grata pe vremea lui Ceausescu? Eu la 17 ani, dintr-o prostie adolescentina, m-am trezit un paria pe linie UTC, cu vot de blam si cu interdictie de a merge la alte facultati decat cele cu profil tehnic.

Cand aud pe cineva ca-l regreta pe Ceausescu, imi vine sa urlu.

@Daniel: am vazut o emisiune pe NG sau Discovery pe tema asta. O idee geniala, sa folosesti lacurile de acumulare ca si rezerve de energie cinetica.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 21:51

Energie potentiala, nu cinetica.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 21:54

detalii... detalii... chiar nu te poti abtine sa faci pe desteptul?

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

29 Mar 2012, 21:59

Pai, in primul rand, se pare ca avem definitii diferite despre ce anume poate fi considerat detaliu intr-o discutie care implica facultati cu profil tehnic.
In al doilea rand, poate mai citesc si altii si invata cate ceva. Prin asta, eu zic ca am facut un lucru bun.
In al treilea rand, poate mai inveti chiar tu cate ceva. Prin asta, eu zic ca am facut un lucru bun.
Asa ca comentariul tau "nu te poti abtine sa faci pe desteptul" este...discutabil.

LE: Deci, completare la pct (2) si pct (3), energie cinetica se stocheaza intr-o volanta, de exemplu.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

30 Mar 2012, 00:13

@temir-in momentul actual,puterea instalata a hidroelectrica e in jur de 6500 mw.taman ce s-a terminat in urma cu un an reabilitarea hidrocentralei de 550 mw de la ciunget,pe lotru,cu bani imprumutati de la banca mondiala.acum ne trebuie neaparat o hidrocentrala de 1000 mw ,care sa mai si consume noaptea curent!deci ma imprumut de la banci ca sa fac o hidrocentrala de care nu am neaparat nevoie,caci acum avem surplus de energie pe care o exportam,ca sa beneficieze cine?....taman ce incepe privatizarea hidroelectrica."necesitatea" construirii ere ca se supraincarca reteaua noaptea ,in lipsa cererii interne si la export.eu am formulat o idee,ca sa nu mai investim 1,5 miliarde € in scopul de a "toca" noaptea curent,ci sa tocam direct curentul far investitii suplimentare.cat despre concluziile tale,nu inteleg de unde le scoti!ai citit in textul meu vreo formulare referitoare la osanale ridicate raposatului?ca n-ar fi o solutie buna daca am avea banii si n-am avea ce face cu ei?sau ca energia se pierde aiurea?sau ca e o inventie romaneasca acumularea prin pomparea apei in amonte cand sunt vreo 600 astfel de hidrocentrale in lume ?daca existau sistemele de pompaj,nu era mare lucru,dar asa nu vad o solutie sa investesti bani care nu-i ai ca sa produci energie si s-o dai ieftin la intermediari.din spusele tale rezulta de fapt ca nici nu exista "baieti destepti",e o inchipuire a unora,inclusiv a mea.te dezamagesc,astia chiar exista si sunt tricolori,vopsiti in rosu,galben si portocaliu,in functie de culoarea politica a momentului.iar cel mai destept dintre baieti,baiat de baiat,e unul catalin buzaianu,cel ce detine inet grup si energy holding,cu realizari deosebite inca din epoca lui iliescu si nastase.ultima "realizare" e cu celebrele motoare pe care chipurile le exportau si au cerut restituire de tva de vreo 60 milioane €-afacerea Baaklini.asa ca scuteste-ma de sarcasmul tau si de aerul superior in care se invart ideile tale.
cat despre energie cinetica si potentiala,de fapt energia potentiala se transforma in energie cinetica ptr a pune in miscare turbina.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

30 Mar 2012, 08:31

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

30 Mar 2012, 09:07

Acel Catalin Buzaianu este unul din cei multi asa zisi Baieti Destepti,anul trecut am avut mai multe intalniri pe aceasta tema ,eu avand in strainatate clientul am cautat sursa la noi si cinstit te crucesti cand vezi peste cine dai,culoarea politica nu este relevanta totul este coordonat de fosti nomenclaturisti ??!! iar pe fatada sant rudenii sau alte persoane care apar si in Top 100 ex;Ioan Niculae care are mai multe firme care vand energie ieftina,etc.

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

30 Mar 2012, 10:27

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

30 Mar 2012, 10:34

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

30 Mar 2012, 11:52

Re: Ne era mai bine pe vremea comunismului?

02 Apr 2012, 17:21

ma bucur ca pana la urma ai inteles ideea,cu toate ca e vorba de goluri si nu de varfuri de sarcina.
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